Firefly and Agendas
Mar. 28th, 2008 09:45 amFirst bit ganked entirely from
greeneyedtengu:
The only bits I feel qualified to comment on -- not having seen the series and all -- are these:
(from
_allecto_'s post)
"The first scene opens in a war with Mal and Zoe. Zoe runs around calling Mal ‘sir’ and taking orders off him. I roll my eyes. Not a good start."
"The basic plot of the series is Malcolm Reynolds and his second in command Zoe <snip>"
"Zoe...(h)er role is to support Mal’s manly obsession with himself by encouraging him, calling him ‘sir’ (emphasis mine),and even starting the fights for him."
My notes:
Uhm. OK, I do NOT know who is the ranking person in the first quote, but from context in the post let's say it's Mal.
And in the SECOND quote, it's pretty darn clear.
Point? If you're the brass, you give the orders. If you're NOT the brass, you FOLLOW those orders, especially in the middle of a war. As a general rule, you call the captain of a ship (or any officer, including any NCO if you're a Marine) "Sir." Or Ma'am, if they're female (and not a Marine).
Heck, I call my classmates (and instructor, and HUSBAND for gossakes) Sir or Ma'am as appropriate just from force of habit -- it doesn't mean I'm gonna crawl over and lick their boots!
Someone (
_allecto_, perhaps?) needs a bit of a reality check, IMO.
"Aside from women being fuck toys, property and punching bags for the men, the women have very little importance in the series. I counted the amount of times women talk in the episode Serenity compared to the amount of times men talk. The result was unsurprising. Men: 458 Women: 175. So throughout the first episode men talk more than two and a half times as much as women do. And women talk mainly in questions whereas men talk in statements. Basically, this means that men direct the action and are active participants whereas women are merely observers and facilitators."
Mal, Wash, Jayne, Shepherd, Simon
Inara, Kaylee, Zoe, River
OK, maybe this is an accurate count. I have the possibly mistaken impression from somewhere that River doesn't talk much, if at all, for at least the first couple of episodes, so maybe we should count her out for this. And -- who is onscreen more? Questions can be used to direct action or make people think -- if you're captain of a ship, are you going to be more receptive to "Have we tried this yet?" or to "That's a dumb idea."?
Also, is the poster counting each time one starts to talk, or is word count taken into consideration? Is a 4-page monologue one utterance? Would this entire post be opening my yap ONE time, or once per sentence, or per subject...? Not enough information here.
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09:57 am - Firefly Fandom Wank Response
An interesting-- and intensely hilarious-- response to _allecto_'s claim that JOss Whedon is an anti-feminist rapist comes from
aic_weirdo in Miandry in Popular Culture, Part I.
I'm staying out of the wankage this time. But this is too funny to not pass on.
Thank you spankerella, from whom I ganked the anti-wank.
The only bits I feel qualified to comment on -- not having seen the series and all -- are these:
(from
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"The first scene opens in a war with Mal and Zoe. Zoe runs around calling Mal ‘sir’ and taking orders off him. I roll my eyes. Not a good start."
"The basic plot of the series is Malcolm Reynolds and his second in command Zoe <snip>"
"Zoe...(h)er role is to support Mal’s manly obsession with himself by encouraging him, calling him ‘sir’ (emphasis mine),and even starting the fights for him."
My notes:
Uhm. OK, I do NOT know who is the ranking person in the first quote, but from context in the post let's say it's Mal.
And in the SECOND quote, it's pretty darn clear.
Point? If you're the brass, you give the orders. If you're NOT the brass, you FOLLOW those orders, especially in the middle of a war. As a general rule, you call the captain of a ship (or any officer, including any NCO if you're a Marine) "Sir." Or Ma'am, if they're female (and not a Marine).
Heck, I call my classmates (and instructor, and HUSBAND for gossakes) Sir or Ma'am as appropriate just from force of habit -- it doesn't mean I'm gonna crawl over and lick their boots!
Someone (
![[profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
"Aside from women being fuck toys, property and punching bags for the men, the women have very little importance in the series. I counted the amount of times women talk in the episode Serenity compared to the amount of times men talk. The result was unsurprising. Men: 458 Women: 175. So throughout the first episode men talk more than two and a half times as much as women do. And women talk mainly in questions whereas men talk in statements. Basically, this means that men direct the action and are active participants whereas women are merely observers and facilitators."
Mal, Wash, Jayne, Shepherd, Simon
Inara, Kaylee, Zoe, River
OK, maybe this is an accurate count. I have the possibly mistaken impression from somewhere that River doesn't talk much, if at all, for at least the first couple of episodes, so maybe we should count her out for this. And -- who is onscreen more? Questions can be used to direct action or make people think -- if you're captain of a ship, are you going to be more receptive to "Have we tried this yet?" or to "That's a dumb idea."?
Also, is the poster counting each time one starts to talk, or is word count taken into consideration? Is a 4-page monologue one utterance? Would this entire post be opening my yap ONE time, or once per sentence, or per subject...? Not enough information here.